Two members of the extended Thwaites family have recently been travelling and sent photos of places with a Thwaites connection.
Christopher Thwaites (1949 < Donald < Francis < John) lives in Northern California, USA and has been travelling in Norway with wife Ruth, who has Norwegian ancestors.
Chris sent this photo posing by a sign for the Norwegian town of Tveit - the Norwegian (and original) form of our name.
Denise Thwaites (1986 < Richard < Michael <Ernest < John) was travelling in England with her partner Baden and visited Topcliffe, Yorkshire, the home of George's family and birthplace of John. She posed by the village sign, supported by a millstone. George Thwaites was a grocer and farmer in Topcliffe around 1890. I like to think he might have owned this millstone, or one like it.
Elsewhere in Yorkshire, near Leeds, they found a place called Thwaites Brow and took this picture, proving our place in the landscape.
Tuesday, July 26, 2011
Saturday, April 9, 2011
Genes Across the Pacific
Three sons of John Thwaites emigrated from Yorkshire in the early 20th Century.
Robert “Ernest” (1879-1947) migrated to Queensland , Australia , in 1913.
Francis “Frank” William (1883-1954) migrated to Seattle , USA , in 1907.
John “Jack” Rayner (1895-1975) migrated to Canada about 1914.
My only trace of Jack, so far, is the record of his enlistment in the Canadian Expeditionary Force to fight in World War 1. He enlisted in Winnipeg , Manitoba in 1916, age 22 and occupation listed as “farm labourer”, giving Phoebe Thwaites in Boroughbridge, Yorkshire as his next of kin. He had occasional contact with Ernest and Francis at least up to the 1930s, but I have so far found no record of Jack’s later life nor whether he has descendants in Canada or elsewhere.
I’ve recently established contact with Frank’s grandson, Christopher Thwaites (1947), who lives in Northern California and shares an interest in Thwaites family history. Chris has sent me a trove of family photographs, which I have scanned and can be viewed in these web albums:
Chris also sent me copies of UK census records for the families of George and John Thwaites’ as recorded each ten years from 1841 to 1901. He and his wife Ruth had obtained these on a visit to Yorkshire .
The census records give leads to many other searches that I will write up as I find out more about where and how the family lived. To start with, the census provided the clue that Ernest and Frank did indeed have, apart from Eva, two other sisters who died in childhood while the family was living in Batley: Eleanor (1880-1887 – between Ernest and Frank) and Elizabeth Emma (1886-1889 – between Frank and Eva).
Looking through Chris’s photographs I was struck with how genes can persist in family likenesses, though separated by oceans and diluted by generations. Click here to view an album in which I have matched up photographs from our two family branches, showing brothers Ernest and Frank, then their sons Michael and Donald, through various stages of their lives. This album also has groups of the next generation of both Australian and American branches of the family.
If you have any comment, notice any inaccuracy, or have any suggestions about where more information might be found about Jack in Canada, please leave a comment in the box or email me.
Please note also that the list of George Thwaites' descendants in the earlier post "Seven Generations of Thwaites" has been updated with a lot more information about Yorkshire and USA family.
Please note also that the list of George Thwaites' descendants in the earlier post "Seven Generations of Thwaites" has been updated with a lot more information about Yorkshire and USA family.
The next post will be putting together some of the story gleaned from the census and online births, deaths and marriages records that are freely available online. For me, this is a treasure hunt.
Monday, February 28, 2011
A Mysterious Photograph Unveiled.
In the belongings of Honor Mary Thwaites we inherited this large framed photograph of a company of men around a board table, with the sole caption on the mounting-board “Wellington Church Council, 1903”. On the back “Mrs Good” was pencilled in a large freehand, suggesting a removalist or delivery instruction. None of the individuals were identified. Why had this group portrait been kept in the family for a century?
Wellington Church Council 1903 |
There are places called Wellington in New Zealand , New South Wales and South Australia , but with no known family connection. A search on “Wellington Church Council” brought up the website of a Wellington Church in Glasgow – a fine neo-classical building in the heart of the University.
I knew that there had been forebears in Glasgow named Scott, so in 2006 I emailed the Church administrator asking whether they knew if anyone by that name had attended a Church Council in 1903. A return email from the then Minister, Leith Fisher, confirmed that this was a council sitting of the Wellington Church, and that the room and the photographs on its wall still existed at the church. He added that the size of the actual room meant that the number of men seated around the table in the photograph was physically impossible – the photograph had to be a contrived composite – “Photoshop” 1903-style.
Indeed, a close look at the photograph does reveal some odd body positions, heads too big for bodies, inconsistent shadows and other evidence of cut-and-paste. Mr Fisher could not help with names, and I heard no more.
Later my uncle Roland Good visited. I showed him the photograph and asked whether he knew of any Scott relatives from Australia who might have been in Glasgow at that time. He didn’t know of any, but mentioned that there were numerous Mitchell relatives in Glasgow who had kept contact with older generations of the Scott family in Australia.
The next link in the chain was a notice from an online genealogy network that there were common ancestors on the Thwaites-Good-Scott line with the family tree maintained by Dugald Scott Mitchell, of Cooma. I established contact with Dugald, who gave me access to his extensive family tree covering many generations of Scotts, Mitchells and all who sail with them.
By now it was clear that the “Mrs Good” was not my grandmother Viola (Wettenhall) Good but my great-grandmother Sarah Cowie Scott Good. Her mother was Sarah Cowie Mitchell of Glasgow , who had married Robert Scott there before emigrating to Victoria around 1840.
Sarah Cowie Mitchell Scott had died at Buninyong, Victoria, in 1899, before the date of the photograph. She had several siblings who stayed in Scotland but only one, her youngest brother John, seemed likely to be in Glasgow in 1903. This John Mitchell would be the uncle of Sarah Scott Good, so perhaps close enough for her to treasure the strange photograph. Sarah Scott Good was the eldest of Sarah Mitchell Scott’s children and was herself a widow by this time. Her Scott brothers were helping to support the education of her three Good children Charles (Hamilton ) Scott, Robert (Norman ) Scott (Honor’s father), and Irene Scott Good.
I wrote again to the Wellington Church in Glasgow , this time asking whether John Mitchell could have been a member of the Council. The Church Administrator, Anthea Cameron, kindly enlisted the help of church historian Mr John Fyfe Anderson. Mr Anderson’s response was more than I could have hoped for. The Mitchell family had founded the church in 1792 and supported it for two centuries, including the period of the photograph. Here are parts of Mr Anderson’s information:
“John Mitchell, merchant, was ordained as an elder in Wellington Church in 1885. He is also recorded as being Preses [President] of the Board of Trustees and Managers in 1893. On 13th March 1893 a congregational meeting was held with the chair taken on the platform by John Mitchell, preses of the Congregation. Mr. Mitchell is recorded as being a “Merchant”.
John Mitchell was a grandson of The Rev. Dr. John Mitchell the first minister of Wellington . It is likely that John Mitchell appears in the 1903 photograph but it is obviously impossible to identify him.
In the photograph The Rev.Dr. James Black is seated at the head of the table with The Rev. Dr. George Morrison on his immediate right…
[The founding ]Mr. John Mitchell obtained an MA at Glasgow University in 1787 and … was licensed by the Presbytery of Perth c.1792. The congregation was formed in Anderson in 1792 and its first Church was in Cheapside Street . Mr. Mitchell was ordained on 1st August 1793. Present at the service was Rev. Andrew Mitchell of Beith, the father of the young minister…
After 35 years the Church moved to a larger one in Wellington Street . Rev. Dr. John Mitchell was the first Minister of the new Wellington Street Church which opened on 15th July 1827 with Dr. Mitchell officiating. Dr. Mitchell was Minister of Wellington from 1793-1844...
The Wellington Street Church moved again to its newly built church on University Avenue , opposite Glasgow University in October 1884.
Tablets were erected to the memory of their late Pastors and were transferred from the vestibule of the church in Wellington Street to the vestibule of the new church in University Avenue and are still in place today. Dr. Mitchell’s reads as follows:
“Erected by the congregation assembling in this place, in affectionate remembrance of their late pastor, John Mitchell, DD., STP. Possessed of highly cultivated talents of enlightened and fervent piety, singularly amiable and gentle in his disposition, simple and yet dignified in his demeanour. He was a faithful and eminently successful pastor, a most affectionate and skilful tutor, the kind and generous friend of youth, and a pattern in all his relations, domestic and social. Born October 15, 1768; ordained to the Ministry of this congregation August 1, 1793: Elected Professor of Biblical Criticism by the Associated Synod, September 15, 1825: Died January 25, 1844. *His remains repose in the crypt of this church...”
…The portrait on wall in the right-hand corner [of the photograph] is of a gentleman resting his elbow on a table in a thoughtful pose with folded fingers on the side of his face. This is the Rev. Dr. John Mitchell, and possibly a very good reason for the picture to be in your family’s possession. The original portrait is large and displayed in the upper corridor here at Wellington along with other past Ministers.”
While John Mitchell cannot be identified with certainty, I think the most likely candidate is the man sitting directly below the portrait of the founder with pen at the ready and a ledger book before him. If I were posing a formal group on this occasion, that is where I would put him. The man with the ledger is evidently an office-bearer of the Council.
So Sarah Cowie Scott had reason to take a proud interest in John Mitchell of Wellington Church . But which John Mitchell?
The Mitchells and the Scotts had large families and had the habit of using the same names over and over. In each generation over two centuries the Andrews, Johns, Roberts and Thomases overlap each other, often more than one to the generation.
In Glasgow in 1903 there were probably three John Mitchells, all descended from the patriarch Rev. Andrew Mitchell of Beith(1737-1812) and possibly attending Wellington Church:
1) Sarah Scott Good’s uncle John;
2) her first cousin once removed John (1826-1904 – son of great-uncle Andrew Scott 1818-1898); and
3) her second cousin John (grandson of the Church founder, great-Uncle Dr John).
Mr Anderson’s information suggests Sarah's second cousin is the one in the picture – but there could have been more than one John Mitchell present at the time. Perhaps both the men sitting under the portrait are John Mitchells? Could one be Sarah's Uncle John?
[UPDATE 26 July 2011]
A family photograph in the possession of my uncle Roland Good shows his father, Robert Norman Good, visiting "his uncle" in Glasgow in 1910. This could only be Norman's great-uncle - namely Sarah Cowie Scott Good's uncle John Mitchell. We now know, from Dugald Mitchell, that this John Mitchell died prosperous but unmarried in 1914 in Glasgow, and bequeathed many of his belongings to nieces and nephews in Australia.
Comparing this photograph to the Wellington Church Council of 1903, that John Mitchell can be seen standing under one of the portraits on the wall, at the back of the group.
[UPDATE 26 July 2011]
A family photograph in the possession of my uncle Roland Good shows his father, Robert Norman Good, visiting "his uncle" in Glasgow in 1910. This could only be Norman's great-uncle - namely Sarah Cowie Scott Good's uncle John Mitchell. We now know, from Dugald Mitchell, that this John Mitchell died prosperous but unmarried in 1914 in Glasgow, and bequeathed many of his belongings to nieces and nephews in Australia.
Comparing this photograph to the Wellington Church Council of 1903, that John Mitchell can be seen standing under one of the portraits on the wall, at the back of the group.
More about how the photograph found its way to Australia may be buried in correspondence now in the National Library of Australia or other Scott family collections. From Sarah Cowie Scott Good it passed to her unmarried daughter Irene Scott Good, then to her granddaughter Honor Mary Scott (Good) Thwaites.
Also in the family are two versions of a portrait of patriarch Rev. Andrew Mitchell (1737-1812), father of Rev. Dr John Mitchell. One is from the collection of Dugald Mitchell, of Cooma, who is the main historian of the Mitchell family in Australia and their roots in Scotland. He identifies this as Rev Andrew.
Also in the family are two versions of a portrait of patriarch Rev. Andrew Mitchell (1737-1812), father of Rev. Dr John Mitchell. One is from the collection of Dugald Mitchell, of Cooma, who is the main historian of the Mitchell family in Australia and their roots in Scotland. He identifies this as Rev Andrew.
The second version is now with Honor’s sister Esther Scott (Good) Wettenhall in
Tuesday, January 11, 2011
Oldest related tombstone in Yorkshire?
Joe (John Duncan) Thwaites contributed this transcription he made in 1973 from a gravestone in the churchyard of the Anglican Church of St Columba in Topcliffe, Yorkshire. The stone is/was positioned diagonally behind the tower and right side transcept of the church, not far from the top of a steep slope down to the River Swale (presumably the “cliffe”).
The picture is "reconstituted" - not the actual stone...
..and here, for clarity, is the text as transcribed by Joe..
The picture is "reconstituted" - not the actual stone...
..and here, for clarity, is the text as transcribed by Joe..
Loving memory
of
Hannah
the wife of George Thwaites
of Topcliffe
who died December 26th 1866
aged 58 years
also of
Eleanor daughter of the above
who died December 15th 1864
aged 27 years
Also of Ann, their daughter
who died July 27th 1866
aged 23 years
NOT LOST, BUT GONE BEFORE
Also Elizabeth Ward
Daughter of the above, and
Wife of John Ward of Thirsk
who died July 9th 1879
aged 34 years
Also the above George Thwaites
of Topcliffe
who died Feb 27th, 1891
Aged 75 yrs
of
Hannah
the wife of George Thwaites
of Topcliffe
who died December 26th 1866
aged 58 years
also of
Eleanor daughter of the above
who died December 15th 1864
aged 27 years
Also of Ann, their daughter
who died July 27th 1866
aged 23 years
NOT LOST, BUT GONE BEFORE
Also Elizabeth Ward
Daughter of the above, and
Wife of John Ward of Thirsk
who died July 9th 1879
aged 34 years
Also the above George Thwaites
of Topcliffe
who died Feb 27th, 1891
Aged 75 yrs
Monday, August 16, 2010
Do you know any more about these people?
From Michael and Honor Thwaites we have inherited a trove of family photographs going back several generations. Some are identified but many are not. Without identification, they will become meaningless to future generations of their descendants.
Some Thwaites material is in albums kept by Eva Hardwick Thwaites, aunt of Michael Rayner and Peter Nelson, who lived single in England until 1977. An album then came to Michael Thwaites in Australia. Most are captioned on the back in her handwriting, but some of the captions are missing or cryptic.
Please add any information or comment that you may have.
This is Phebe "Lizzie" (Hardwick) Thwaites, mother of Robert Ernest, on a seaside excursion (in the 1920s ?). She was born 1855 in Pickering and lived till 1924, much of the time in Boroughbridge, Yorkshire. Eva did not caption this photo, nor the one below. Apparently Lizzie had a period of invalidity but later recovered.
Phebe's husband John Thwaites was born 1849 in Topcliffe, Yorkshire and died 1914. Is there any picture known of John Thwaites??
These two gents were with Lizzie on the excursion - same bench, same fence - but no names.
The one on the right is definitely Francis (Frank) William Thwaites (1883-1954). Frank emigrated to America in about 1908, returned in 1914 to support the British war effort, then returned to USA in 1920 with wife Daisy and new baby son Donald Hardwick Thwaites.
On the left son George (1881-1941), eldest of the family and a chronic depressive who never left home and lived with sister Eva after his mother Lizzie died. He looks cheerful enough here.
This is Lizzie Hardwick Thwaites somewhat later. Not dated but it is captioned "Mother, plump at last after the lean years. at Bb [Boroughbridge, Yorkshire] ". The caption is clearly by youngest daughter Eva (1888-1977) who never married and looked after parents in their old age at Boroughbridge, before leaving for teacher training and a lifetime teaching in Sheriff Hutton. This is probably the garden of the house the family lived in for many years at Boroughbridge. What else is known of that life? We have a few letters and various books bequeathed to her nephew Michael Rayner Thwaites.
Back another generation, this is captioned "Grandma Hardwick", so it must be Lizzie Hardwick's mother.
Jane Hoggard married and had several children by John Hardwick, a yeoman farmer of Pickering. She was widowed early, managed the farm and six children on her own, then married again to ? Brown. She was widowed a second time, and when this photo was taken was living with her youngest daughter Phebe in Osset, near Dewsbury.
Now some Nelson material from Queensland....
Solomon in all his glory...
Sir Hugh Nelson (1833-1906), Jessie's father, in his Vice-Regal attire as Lieutenant-Governor (or maybe as acting Governor?) of Queensland - 1904 - I think.
This is not a family photo but from the archives of the Queensland Parliament, used in an article on Sir Hugh's canny political career in the online Australian Dictionary of Biography. See Google for more..
Below is captioned "Mrs Nelson (later Lady N.) at croquet with friends at Gabbinbar, Toowomba, Queensland" - Sir Hugh's family home. This suggests it was taken before 1896, when Sir Hugh was knighted KCMG for his political service.
I'm not sure about the "friends" - behind the fashionable fly-proof burqas. I think we might find Mrs Nelson's three lively daughters Grace, Jessie and Maude. The full photograph shows a wider vista of landscape receding eastwards toward Brisbane and the coast.
This is the oldest Thwaites /Nelson material we have. There is plenty more from Jessie's albums that follows the childhood of her two sons Michael Rayner Thwaites (1915-2005) and Peter Nelson Thwaites (1917-82). Cousins from the Nelson side are well represented, but no photographs from the scattered Thwaites cousins in USA and Canada.
Please comment if you would like to see more... it is simple for me to post progressively to this blog.
Some Thwaites material is in albums kept by Eva Hardwick Thwaites, aunt of Michael Rayner and Peter Nelson, who lived single in England until 1977. An album then came to Michael Thwaites in Australia. Most are captioned on the back in her handwriting, but some of the captions are missing or cryptic.
Please add any information or comment that you may have.
This is Phebe "Lizzie" (Hardwick) Thwaites, mother of Robert Ernest, on a seaside excursion (in the 1920s ?). She was born 1855 in Pickering and lived till 1924, much of the time in Boroughbridge, Yorkshire. Eva did not caption this photo, nor the one below. Apparently Lizzie had a period of invalidity but later recovered.
Phebe's husband John Thwaites was born 1849 in Topcliffe, Yorkshire and died 1914. Is there any picture known of John Thwaites??
These two gents were with Lizzie on the excursion - same bench, same fence - but no names.
The one on the right is definitely Francis (Frank) William Thwaites (1883-1954). Frank emigrated to America in about 1908, returned in 1914 to support the British war effort, then returned to USA in 1920 with wife Daisy and new baby son Donald Hardwick Thwaites.
On the left son George (1881-1941), eldest of the family and a chronic depressive who never left home and lived with sister Eva after his mother Lizzie died. He looks cheerful enough here.
This is Lizzie Hardwick Thwaites somewhat later. Not dated but it is captioned "Mother, plump at last after the lean years. at Bb [Boroughbridge, Yorkshire] ". The caption is clearly by youngest daughter Eva (1888-1977) who never married and looked after parents in their old age at Boroughbridge, before leaving for teacher training and a lifetime teaching in Sheriff Hutton. This is probably the garden of the house the family lived in for many years at Boroughbridge. What else is known of that life? We have a few letters and various books bequeathed to her nephew Michael Rayner Thwaites.
Back another generation, this is captioned "Grandma Hardwick", so it must be Lizzie Hardwick's mother.
Jane Hoggard married and had several children by John Hardwick, a yeoman farmer of Pickering. She was widowed early, managed the farm and six children on her own, then married again to ? Brown. She was widowed a second time, and when this photo was taken was living with her youngest daughter Phebe in Osset, near Dewsbury.
Now some Nelson material from Queensland....
Solomon in all his glory...
Sir Hugh Nelson (1833-1906), Jessie's father, in his Vice-Regal attire as Lieutenant-Governor (or maybe as acting Governor?) of Queensland - 1904 - I think.
This is not a family photo but from the archives of the Queensland Parliament, used in an article on Sir Hugh's canny political career in the online Australian Dictionary of Biography. See Google for more..
Below is captioned "Mrs Nelson (later Lady N.) at croquet with friends at Gabbinbar, Toowomba, Queensland" - Sir Hugh's family home. This suggests it was taken before 1896, when Sir Hugh was knighted KCMG for his political service.
I'm not sure about the "friends" - behind the fashionable fly-proof burqas. I think we might find Mrs Nelson's three lively daughters Grace, Jessie and Maude. The full photograph shows a wider vista of landscape receding eastwards toward Brisbane and the coast.
This is the oldest Thwaites /Nelson material we have. There is plenty more from Jessie's albums that follows the childhood of her two sons Michael Rayner Thwaites (1915-2005) and Peter Nelson Thwaites (1917-82). Cousins from the Nelson side are well represented, but no photographs from the scattered Thwaites cousins in USA and Canada.
Please comment if you would like to see more... it is simple for me to post progressively to this blog.
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